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If I Were President

This is not going to suit everyone. But I am convinced I am right. If you disagree, please say so and tell me why. I will rebutt. But I will be gentle.

 
The Following is a speech given today by Count President Raoul from the White House:

Ladies and gentlemen, I am standing before you in the Rose Garden at the White House to announce a dramatic new initiative designed to save hundreds, maybe thousands of American lives annually. 

Effective this morning, I have asked the Attorney General, the Director of the FBI and the Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to present to me in six months time a plan to remove within five years, all handguns and high volume rifles from the non-law enforcement citizens of America.  This plan, to be called the Protecting Innocent American’s Act (PIAA) will not be a rebuke of the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution, but will instead encourage the recreational and protective use of most rifles and shotguns while making it illegal for most Americans to own a handgun or unnecessarily lethal long gun.

Handguns, both concealed and exposed are the number one tool for violent crime resulting in death in America. Recent statistics show that assaults with handguns is not only the leading cause of murder in this country, but roughly the equivalent of all other weapons, including other guns, knives and blunt instruments combined. 

During 2010 in the previous president home state of Illinois, of 364 murders by firearm, 355 or 98% were committed with a handgun. In fact, 78% of all murders in the state were the result of handguns. What would the statistics be if those guns did not exist?

Taking these handguns away from law-abiding citizens and criminals alike will be difficult and expensive for obvious reasons. The Cabinet-level decisions to carry out my order are likely to include the purchase at fair market value of existing handguns, the purchase and retooling of all domestic handgun manufacturers and the significant raising of penalties for handgun possession after the designated ‘no handgun’ date. 

My goal under PIAA is not to lose a single job in the domestic handgun manufacture industry. All import licenses for handguns will be suspended over PIAA. As Isaiah said in The Bible, we shall beat our swords into plowshares.  Handguns have served their purpose in America. Tools originally designed for protection are now being used for murder. The time for them to be eliminated is now.   

Similarly, the use of rifles with more than protection level magazines will be outlawed. No more ammunition clips holding more than designated maximum rounds will be sold or possessed in America. In hunting and protection, rifles are valuable tools. Providing them with the firepower and volume to create mass murder is wrong and the PIAA will stop it.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution is rather short. It includes the words: “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” I, like all Presidents before me, have sworn to uphold and defend these words. But just as surely as these words are sacrosanct, I believe they allow the limiting of the type of arms allowed. 

Citizens are not allowed to own and discharge howitzers, bazookas or certain types of high powered ammunition. We have accepted these restrictions because Americans know they are unsafe and unnecessary for personal protection and sport. Before I was President, I protected my home as the Constitution allowed by storing a locked shotgun in my closet. During the time of our Constitution's writing, single-shot flintlock pistols were as small and easily hidden as a firearm could be. Today, the obvious variety of small and lethal handguns has resulted in murder and injury rather than protection.

Many will disagree with me. Most of the disagreements are likely to come from good Americans who just don’t want to be told what to do. And the argument that most gun owners of any type are law-abiding citizens is not part of the debate.  But most auto drivers are safe and sane also. Yet the objections to seat belt laws and speed limits have waned as lives were saved.  I expect a similar long-term result of this new law.

I know that the road to this eventual lawmaking will be long and challenged at every turn. Americans have grown accustomed to being armed and many are suspicious of the federal government enforcing new rules regarding what they consider personal liberty. That’s OK. I think we have the will of the people on our side.

And as we argue, negotiate and compromise on PIAA, let’s think of the prospects of a high volume rifle and handgun free future when we read stories in the newspapers or hear them on the radio and TV.  The stories about innocent people being killed in fits of rage by friends, family or strangers that chose to use a handgun or high volume rifle to make their case. What would the result have been if these weapons were not in existence?

Thank you and God Bless America.

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David August 9, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Did he say LEGAL concealed weapons was his concern or ILLEGAL weapons on criminals?
Rebecca McCarthy (Editor) August 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Jim, you mean like George Zimmerman? I'm sure he thought he was an "asset." And last I checked, the man who shot soldiers at Fort Hood, the shooters at Columbine, the shooter at the Sikh temple, the shooter at the Aurora theatre--none of them were known criminals. But they all had heat and ammo galore. I spent a lot of my early life in Montana, and while most people hunt, including those in my family, no one hunts with an assault weapon.
Dave M August 9, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Jim- I agree there is room for sober discussion. I encourage law abiding citizens to get concealed carry permits, take some training that you will probably have to pay for, carry insurance if you can; you must take responsibility for yourself and family. Law Enforcement can never be 100%. I do not fear the law abiding citizen with a gun... if you make the decision that carrying a gun is not for you.. that should also be your choice.
Beth S August 9, 2012 at 01:00 pm
Taking responsibility for yourself and your family.... Key words that everyone should take in and abide by!
Count Raoul August 9, 2012 at 01:48 pm
Mike, nice effort to paint me with the political brush. When my family is in trouble, the Baretta in the closet will suffice, thank you very much. Can I call you to clean up the mess? I am enthralled by the logic which presumes banning one type of weapon will lead to the banning of others. Just like mandating seat belts has led to the end of 16 cylinder engines I guess. Or those darn speed limits. How dare the government tell me how fast to drive! Next, I'll have to wear my seat belt... no, wait. I already have to wear my seat belt. Next I'll have to wear a helmet to drive a car. That's it! Helmets are next I swear!
Count Raoul August 9, 2012 at 01:51 pm
Thanks Jim. For one thing, Ben, I'm a registered Republican, give money to Romney and practice the fine art of sleeping with the woman I married 31 years ago this month. BUT! If I'm against handguns, I must be the opposite of those things.
Jim Stephenson August 9, 2012 at 01:52 pm
Rebecca,
I have already agreed with Raoul that we don't need machine guns and RPGs in our living rooms. But we have a highly disfunctional government that tends to mess things up, and this is too important an issue to give to them. Dave, thank you. I carry extra insurance, and have taken lessons. I don't get enough time to practice, but can hit center mass with the first round at 15 yards. And, I know my limitations, so I will not try to hit a fly at 100 yards.
Ben August 9, 2012 at 02:10 pm
Frankley, I don't Care what the Democrats, Liberals & Gays Call me, If you read, hear about, a topic like Gun Control, Gay Rights, Taxing the Rich, Illeagal people, You hear this from the Democrats, Liberals & Gays. Not all Democrats are Gays, But all Gays are Democratic
Dave M August 9, 2012 at 02:18 pm
Rebecca... the incidents you mention did not involve known criminals. Your premise is that if there were no assault rifles or large magazines they would not have done this. Your willing to bet my life and other citizens lives on this premise. It seems to me that the burden should be on you to flesh out this argument. A sick person bent on destruction will find a way-- you can build bombs out of commonly available materials that would do more damage. In the case of the movie theater consider what would happen if the gunman had encountered even 1 trained citizen. Unfortunately well meaning folks banned concealed carry from the theater. That made everyone "less safe". There is always a counter argument. We won't win this or lose this here on the Patch. We can as neighbors have civil discussion and try and understand our neighbors points of view. Please tell me how your ban would still prevent the individual who goes off the reservation from getting into a more destructive device like a bomb or buying the assault rifle and magazines on the black market? Should you not argue that allowing concealed carry in the theater would not have made people safer that day?
Rebecca McCarthy (Editor) August 9, 2012 at 02:21 pm
Ben,
I hadn't noticed the "conversation" mentioning anyone's political or sexual orientation. Your familiarity with the gay community and the political orientation of its members is laudatory. But I believe the "conversation" is focused on an imaginary world in which an imaginary U.S. President got serious about the carnage wrought by assault weapons.
Todd M August 9, 2012 at 02:37 pm
This conversation has long ago degraded into something which is impossible to have logical debate. There are plenty to debate in your original post, with specific facts, but I have long since realized that having a debate does more to sharpen your own feelings, and raise your blood pressure, than to actually change the minds of the folks your debating. Thankfully, in our country, no President has the power to do what you suggest, at least currently. The way things are going, especially with the small arms treaty, the 2nd Ammendment might just be trumped before the end of the year.
As for the Japan argument, We can take snippets out here and there whenever we want to support our personal views, but if you look a little deeper into what makes it even possible in places like Japan, you see all types of other issues that one could ask, "Do you want that in America too"? For instance, Japan is on a 2 year roll of having extremely high suicide rates for their country. They pretty much always rank in the top 10 (currently #6 or #7) on the list of countries with a high suicide rate. What is the point? Specificallly you can't compare and apple to an orange. You can't take specific pieces out of one country and compare it to another country without also comparing every other aspect as well. Where do we start that list? I don't know, how about the fact that in America we have an abundance of gangs like MS13, etc.
Rebecca McCarthy (Editor) August 9, 2012 at 02:38 pm
Had it been more difficult for these deranged people to buy assault weapons, I doubt they would have gone through with their plans. The ubiquitous availability of assault weapons and ammo allowed these men to kill others. I don't know if they would have found another way to murder, but I believe it would have been more difficult for them to kill large numbers of people, which in my book is more than one person. Building a bomb when you can't think straight is far more difficult than plunking down cash in a gun store. Instead of encountering "one trained citizen," let's have the Aurora shooter not having access to assault weapons. Assault weapons should remain in the hands of military officials, who at times may need them. The general population doesn't need them, period. I'm not talking about "concealed carry." I'm talking about the industry and the lobbying groups that keep these outrageously efficient killing machines where anyone can buy them. You are jumping to another topic. Which is fine, but not germane to the topic of availability.
Dave M August 9, 2012 at 02:45 pm
wow Rebecca.. building a bomb when you can't think straight..... did you miss what he did in the apartment? Your now going emotional and making pronouncements and like many of these conversations that basically ends any debate. "The general population doesn't need them period". Wow. Thats a great argument and is sure to sway people. Todd is right.. its now to a stage where I'm out... I hope folks think about the arguments and come to an informed opinion.
Louise August 9, 2012 at 02:53 pm
I agree with your plan, Count. We own shotguns so we would get to keep those. My boys enjoy shooting clay things and my husband once said the mere sound of the cocking of a shotgun would scare off anyone considering invading our home. No handguns assault weapons necessary!
Rebecca McCarthy (Editor) August 9, 2012 at 02:56 pm
Thanks for participating.
Lynn Bacon, CPLC, CFC, CRC August 9, 2012 at 04:39 pm
It's not the guns that are the problem; it's the people that are holding them. And using them for the wrong reasons. Until we address what's going on that makes them want to solve their issues by murdering, we will still have the problem. The U.S. is a VERY diverse country. We have so many different classes, cultures, income levels, etc. Other countries have some of this, but not nearly at the level that we do here in the U.S. If we use Japan as an example, when the tsunami came in, there was no looting. Just people that came out to help. When we've had disasters in our country, we've had looting, stealing, and some killings. There's a mentality that has developed in the past 40 years or so that says "if I don't get what I want, I'll take it, and if someone opposes me, I'll just kill them". If people didn't have guns, they'd find something else. What if we were to embrace honesty and integrity and let it become a value in our society and about who we are as Americans? I know - that's a dream. Unfortunately, our children arent learning this, and where things are going is scary.
Racer X August 9, 2012 at 05:44 pm
Most people with a Beretta know how to spell Beretta.
Yes, always delighted to help clean up after a bad guy takes a dirt nap. Give me a call, I'm in the book. People know that if you give the government an inch, they will take a mile. You yourself, Mr. President, have proven this by enlarging the ban debate from just assault Rifles to hand guns and assault rifles on only your first day as President. You have proven this logic that "enthralls" you, to yourself. Again, this debate is silly. There will never be a Federal hand gun ban. I,too, have been on this thread too long. I'm gone.
Dave M August 9, 2012 at 05:53 pm
Rebecca-- by the way-- thanks for what you do etc. Community discussions are good because neighbors talk-- thanks for facilitating that.
Racer X August 9, 2012 at 05:57 pm
Count- You said it, not Jim :-)
David August 9, 2012 at 08:22 pm
I agree with your husband. I have actually seen that in action when I first moved to GA and my house was new. The handgun beside my bed is to protect me until I get to the shotgun in my closet. I would only use the handgun in case of an emergency since the houses are so close in my subdivision I might accidentally shoot my neighbor with the stray bullet. I also have a handgun that I use concealed because the shotgun creates quite a stir when I walk into a restaurant, etc. with it.
John H August 9, 2012 at 08:40 pm
I stated this before but no one made any comment so I will repost:
"Long guns for protection are fine unless you are attacked in your car, on the street, or the like." What then? I cannot imaging private citizens carrying around long guns in their daily routine. As for assault rifles, I don't see them in the same argument as hand guns. I do not own one and never will. I do not like them. But the fact is that you will never get them out of the hands of the bad guys. They do not play by the same rules nor the same thought process as law abiding citizens. If you are a liberal, have you ever tried converting a conservative? If you are a conservative, have you ever tried converting a liberal? Will hardly ever happen. Same with the mind set of a criminal (or wanna be).
Count Raoul August 31, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Leon there are several reasons. First, I'm not at all mentioning the legal issue of ridding the country of handguns and assault rifles. There's lots of fantasy here. Remember, the whole thing starts with an annonymous 'Count' being President. Justice Scalia appears to be a level headed jurist and one of my favorites. But sadly the entire court is rather political these days with Roberts using the Obamacare decision to show his independence. And in my opinion, to allow his court to go further right now with an example to point back at claiming balance. But mostly, I look at Roe v. Wade and how it's opponents do not give up just because a liberal court pronounced abortions legal a generation ago. I think DC vs. Heller might have been a different decision years ago, or years from now.
Chris August 31, 2012 at 11:56 pm
I thought this one had all been settled.
Dave Ballard August 31, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Count, in support of your latest post, NYPD cops actually only hit their intended targets at about half the rate you mention (15%-20%). The good news is, police stats indicate that concealed-carry citizens (CCC from here out) routinely hit their intended targets 3 times more often (60%-65%), and hit 6 times fewer bystanders than the police.
The biggest differences between the two groups of would-be "good guys" seem to be that the CCC <i>1) tend to be just as well practiced in the skill of drawing and firing</i> (no really, they spend just as much time at the range, and in some cases MUCH more), <i>2) they tend to be shooting in daylight or well-lit conditions, </i>compared to the poor lighting most police shootings take place in, and <i>3) are usually by themselves when they shoot. </i> This avoids the "bunch-shooting" phenomenon seen so many times in NYPD and other police records. You can find some insight into questions regarding the comparative ineffectiveness of police firearm useage and training, and some ideas for further research here: http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf
Dave Ballard September 1, 2012 at 12:01 am
I think the Count chose to let the dust settle before putting out some thoughts about the bulk of responses to this post: knee-jerk, hot-headed, and non-thoughtful. I don't blame him.
As for settling the argument... I doubt it. Ever. ^_^
Count Raoul September 1, 2012 at 12:16 am
Dave, I went to your 19 page ppsc report and found I could not muddle through it. But I will take your word for the stats you provided regarding police accuracy. I certainly do not doubt that well trained sober people are likely to be accurate and occasionally (rarely) find themselves in a position to defend a life. BUT, America allows criminals to walk into gun shows and buy handguns and assault rifles without a waiting period or background check. Now I've never done this, so tell me if I'm wrong. If you paint me a picture where only citizens as upstanding as yourself are granted the ability to buy these guns, and these guns will never be stolen or sold to criminals, I will listen. 'Till then.... ban 'em.
Chris September 1, 2012 at 12:23 am
Well, you can always get those guns from Obama and Eric Holder. Not sure if there are any background checks required.
Dave Ballard September 1, 2012 at 12:24 am
That's the point, whole Count: you can't keep them out of of any hands EXCEPT the law-abiding citizen, and a lot of people just don't like the idea of being at that sort of disadvantage.
Dave Ballard September 1, 2012 at 12:26 am
LOL, I meant "that's the whole point, Count." =D
Dave Ballard September 1, 2012 at 01:31 am
Incidentally, some of the numbers regarding the recent Empire State Building police shooting got my attention:
16 shots were fired by 2 officers (9 for one, 7 for the other). 10 of the 16 rounds hit the perp. 9 bystanders were hit and injured in the shooting. 3 of the bystanders were hit directly by police rounds (not fragments). 0 shots were fired by the perp (after the one killing the original victim inside the shop, that is). Don't misunderstand, the perp got his just desserts, and the officers probably did the right thing by shooting. But these are the mysteries of bunch-shooting: why 16 rounds on a non-shooting subject (when theoretically a non-cooperative, threatening subject could be dropped with one or two each)? Why did only 10 of the 16 hit from 5 yards or less, even though both officers are certified out to 25, and it took place in daylight during good weather? It also brings into question the rationale of using hollow-point bullets solely to reduce or prevent injuries to unintended objects/people nearby due to bullets passing through the target. (cf. this rather old NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/1998/07/09/nyregion/new-york-police-will-start-using-deadlier-bullets.html - and this much more recent Wash.Times editorial: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/23/dispelling-bullet-myths/) I apologize for being slightly off-topic, but I thought it might interest some people following the thread here.
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