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Does the National Rifle Association Represent Gun Owners? Not Likely...

People need to wake up to who they let speak for them. The NRA does not speak for hunters or marksmen.

In the 1930s, the Ku Klux Klan’s Georgia headquarters was at 3155 Roswell Road in Atlanta. The carved sign above the door read Ku Klux Klan Sheet Factory and in fact, they did produce the elaborate white satin costumes with brightly embroidered chevrons and machine stitched names and romantic sounding titles. 

A good custom ordered Grand Wizard’s outfit could cost over $600, and the cost to the Atlanta Klan for making this charming bit of American hate was around $17. As the Klan reached out to every redneck hater south of Louisville, the leaders of the Klan were getting rich.

The KKK was never a good idea. But at least at the start it had a presumed mission to protect the genteel white folk from what they imagined might be marauding freed slaves and Carpetbaggers who had come south to take advantage of our weakened state and confused populace. The wrong but noble notions of Nathan B. Forrest and his articulate scribe Colonel William W. Robinson of Verona, TN, were quickly hijacked by terrorist racists who subjected freemen and other innocent Republicans to fear, beatings and worse. 

No one can defend this institution and I certainly do not. But by the early 20th Century, the Klan was not only a mostly toothless organization, but they had been hijacked by intelligent good-old-boys and turned into a classic fraud. Men who would no more torch a church than they would eat a bat became the leaders and the money came pouring in.

Ugly, frightened, rednecks certainly continued to commit mayhem simultaneously to claiming membership in the Klan, but the boys at the top were much more interested in the $59 subscription to their hate spewing newsletters and those $600 robes. The Klan was now a scheme. Run by haters, but a scheme none the less.

The National Rifle Association was formed in 1871. Its first president was the fabulously hirsute Yankee General Ambrose Burnside. Their founding was a response to the less than stellar marksmanship exhibited by the Union troops during the unpleasantness of the early 1860s.

For more than 70 years, the NRA opened firing ranges and trained marksmen and hunters on safety and a multitude of skills needed by the sporting enthusiast. On their own website they boast that they are the ‘longest-standing civil rights organization in the US.’ But then it got ugly. Sometime mid-20th century the NRA decided on its own that the country was working towards the end of our gun culture, and fortunately for them, the Second Amendment appeared to be a perfect pole on which to hoist their flag. 

In 1990 they formed a nonprofit foundation allowing gun owners and, more importantly, gun manufacturers and gun importers to write tax deductible checks to promote gun ownership. I think the NRA uses The Idiots Guide to Negotiating as they set their agenda. Any gun for any person at any time in any place with any credentials makes for a safer America. 

My friends, this group is all about keeping the money flowing from their big contributors. If a high volume clip or assault rifle ban were to pass Congress, their biggest donors would be financial losers. And I don’t know how big Wayne LaPierre’s (CEO of NRA) second home might be, but I bet it’s bigger than yours.  This is a money-making venture hiding behind a well thought out, and necessary, Second Amendment to the US Constitution. They do not represent hunters or marksmen. They represent themselves!

Anybody pissed off yet?

The liberal senator and former Presidential candidate Gary Hart thinks there needs to be a new version of the NRA. A group truly focused on shooting as a sport and as a traditional way of feeding the family. Keep the damn politics out of it. Wouldn’t this be a group you’d be willing to join? I own a gun. I would join.

Lastly, I have a bar bet for you. Go down to Willie’s and ask the guy on the next stool: “Which former US President wrote an Op-Ed in the New York Times in favor of a ban of assault rifles in 1994?” If he guesses Jimmy Carter, order top shelf bourbon for yourself, but if he guesses Ronald Reagan, you owe the man a beer.

There are solutions to the carnage that too many handguns and too many assault rifles bring to America. And these solutions will not necessarily take your rights away. Outlawing Meth does not appear to have led to the closing of beer distilleries. And outlawing assault style rifles will not result in the loss of my shotgun. Serious people know this. Letting the NRA, a group that is getting wealthy from the donations of the gun manufacturers, speak for you is not a responsible way to be.

Good Grief Y'all January 7, 2013 at 05:30 pm
I understand (and support) the pro-gun argument based on protection and sporting. But it seems to me a desperate reason to claim the 2nd-Amendment-guaranteed private gun caches are for citizens vs govt. In your house or vehicle, you're going to stand against the world's most powerful military, with its advanced weaponry, high tech and intelligence capabilities, drones, nuclear power and manpower might? The military that has been built up, funded and promoted by mostly Republican lobbyists and lawmaker backing? That's paranoia of your own making. The great Republican President Dwight Eisenhower warned in the 1950s about the dangers of
a huge, all-powerful, costly military-industrial complex. Of course, he would have to be an Independent or Democratic candidate in today's world.
Mr. B January 7, 2013 at 06:30 pm
So, why did the war in Iraq and Afghanistan take so long? Why did we lose the war in Viet Nam? If this all powerful American war machine is turned against you, wouldn't you expect it to be over in minutes? I'm not a supporter of "assault" weapons either, however, I completely understand the reasons some people want them. I don't trust our political leaders anymore than I trust our enemies.
Mr. B January 7, 2013 at 06:38 pm
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban of guns, picking up everyone of them, I would have done it." - Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California)
Now, tell me once again how the 2nd Amendment rights are not being threatened.
Good Grief Y'all January 7, 2013 at 06:46 pm
Politics. It could be over in minutes.
Count Raoul January 7, 2013 at 06:47 pm
Hey Mr. B: Your Fienstein quote is a non-starter. Here's one Senator saying she's against all guns. Big deal. There is no way on God's green earth that a majority of Senators or Congressmen or the President would vote to appeal the Second Ammendment. And that would have to happen before the states voted on it. Go worry about your neighbors and their unlocked guns being stolen and used on your other neighbor. But don't worry about the Second Amendment. Geezzz
Mr. B January 7, 2013 at 07:25 pm
Read the statement again, Count. It says "If". To have even ONE Senator thinking this way is too many. If you don't like this one, choose another Amendment that means more to you. Do you want any Senator lobbying for a law that negates it?
Kenneth M. Collins January 7, 2013 at 08:22 pm
I think I have a way to basically solve at least some of this discussion. Count Raoul's original point was that he felt the NRA has lost it's way and no longer represents its members. I feel they still very much do. Forget for a minute about the Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines, the 2nd Ammendment, and everything else for a few minutes and PLEASE, just HONESTLY answer the two following questions. 1) Are you an NRA Member? 2) Do you feel that the NRA still supports what you believe in. Keep it short, sweet, and simple.
I'll start. 1) Lifetime Member of the NRA 2) Yes, I think they still represent what I feel If the Majority of people involved in this discussion who answer that they are NRA members answer that they feel they are still adequately represented by the NRA, then CR's opinion is just that, his opinion, and is not supported by any reasonable facts currently at our disposal. If those who answer that they are NRA members and that the NRA no longer supports them is the majority, then I will concede to CR's point of view. HOWEVER, if you are NOT a member of the NRA, please just answer the 1st question only. PLEASE keep it honest. Don't lie about having a membership just to try and drive a point home.
Count Raoul January 7, 2013 at 08:33 pm
I, like President GHW Bush, am not a member.
Good Grief Y'all January 7, 2013 at 10:12 pm
I am not an NRA member.
Surveying only the responders to this thread would not produce a definitive and true evaluation of the NRA. Sort of like how the election polls had a lot of folks surprised at the outcome. Maybe you should get Nate Silver to help you.
Shibone January 8, 2013 at 11:57 am
The NRA has a problem and it's not with liberals, Diane Finestein or the media. It's with people like Wayne LaPierre. Before the bodies of young children had been buried, Wayne figured out the solution to their murders. More guns and more ammunition. In Wayne's world, if more people own guns and ammunition, fewer people will use them.
Wayne had a solution for the mentally ill giving gun owners a bad name. He wants the government to identify who is mentally ill and then restrict them from giving the NRA a bad name. Wayne didn't tell you he had vigorously opposed the federal government actively trying to provide the mentally ill with resources to help them - it's called Obama care. Wayne is something of a hypocrite but that's allowed if you want to buy/sell guns and ammo. Wayne chided and ridiculed states that had expanded gun control and school districts that offered "gun free zones". He said they didn't work and invited violence. What he didn't tell you is the NRA descends on these states and school zones to undermine their attempts. And then they say they didn't work.. They don't tell you why. The NRA has a problem and it's because of people like Wayne LaPierre. Conservative, Republican members of the NRA now know this and are speaking out. So Kenneth, I do own a handgun but I'm not a member of the NRA, that provides the means and methods of slaughtering our own. And your 2nd Amendment rights don't trump my 1st Amendment rights. This isn't a playground.
Karsten Torch January 8, 2013 at 03:36 pm
You lost me on the 1st Amendment rights comment.
And gun-free zones do invite these kinds of incidents. The shooter in the theater drove past other theaters that did allow guns to find one that didn't. Again, if some teachers and faculty had been allowed to carry, this particular incident would have been shorter. Criminals don't pay attention to gun-free zones. In fact, they kind of prefer them. And if you take away the guns, you place people in peril. You make them victims. Just like every other country that has outlawed weapons. Crimes have not reduced. They've gone up. Assaults have increased. So have burglaries. So handing out guns actually improves people's odds, it does not place more people in danger.
Count Raoul January 8, 2013 at 04:19 pm
Karsten I will be flagging your last comment as inappropriate. Not because of your tone or even your words. The 'half-truths' you tell may be taken by some as accurate. This is not the place for lies.
Karsten Torch January 8, 2013 at 04:40 pm
You told plenty in your OP. Should I flag that?
And which part are lies? I'm thinking that you should address those, because just calling them 'lies' and then saying you're going to flag my post does not make them lies....
Shibone January 8, 2013 at 08:43 pm
Well Karsten, I think the Count has called you out. Why don't you settle this by providing the data to support your argument that other nations, comparable to the US in social and economic development are experiencing increased crime and assaults due to a poorly armed private sector. Ball's in your court buddy.
Karsten Torch January 8, 2013 at 09:03 pm
How do you figure? There hasn't been one shred of data from the Count's side. Not a bit. Plenty from the other. And the data's easy to see. You really want me to do all your work? Including your thinking? Why?
If you want to see it, go ahead and read above - again, plenty of references given. Plus, he called me a liar. His job to back up that statement.
Shibone January 8, 2013 at 09:16 pm
Karsten, this is your way to put the kibosh on this fake. If the data is easy to see, just put it up. I mean you can shut this guy up for good. All you have to do is put the data up showing countries comparable to the US in terms of economic and social development have lower crime rates because they've outlawed guns. And for goodness sake, if there are countries out there handing out guns to improve the odds, tell us. Geez, this is a no brainer. I didn't take the noCount on, you did. Put a sock in his old potato hole!!!!
Count Raoul January 8, 2013 at 09:18 pm
Karsten, Go back and check my comment to you last year: 11:06 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012. It's 'bout half way up. I'll stick with that.
Count Raoul January 8, 2013 at 09:24 pm
Potato hole? Just had an idea for dinner.... OK, here's a list of gun fatalities per capita for you. It does not break out crimes vs. accidents, but it's a start. Lemme know what you think? The US is in some really, really good company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Karsten Torch January 8, 2013 at 09:56 pm
And you're repeating yourself. I said that the firearm stats are immaterial. When it comes to violent crime, we're not even in the top 10. I'll take higher firearm deaths along with a lower violent crime rate any day.
Here, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html This is probably the easiest to read....
Shibone January 8, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Karsten, the noCount just counter punched and this isn't helping your argument at all. If you look at the data, the USA is right in there with Mexico in terms of deaths per 100,000 citizens. That's Mexico, Karsten, as in major drug war country. When I looked at nations comparable to the US economy and development (Germany and England), we are killing people 10 to 40 times the rate that they are. But the chart doesn't tell me which countries are giving out free guns! Don't let noCount do this to your argument. Put up the numbers!
R T January 8, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Mexico?? I believe just about all guns are illegal there. How could anyone have possibly been killed with guns there when guns are illegal??? There must be a typo somewhere. . .
Shibone January 8, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Karsten, I'll get back to you later. Seems like Richard T was thinking out loud so I wanted to help him. Here you go: "the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5]" Hope that helped.
Tim January 8, 2013 at 10:54 pm
How long are y'all gonna beat this Horse??? No one on here is going to change anyone else's mind. I have my beliefs based on fact and logic and I know I'll not change them....y'all shore spending alot of energy.
Count Raoul January 8, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Thanks Karsten. Bad argument. This is a story that says England is violent. It sorta is. I've been a dozen times and seen about that many bar fights. They tend to settle things over there pretty quickly. But your article pointed out that only 1.49 people per 100K are killed each year by all means (knives, fists, guns, bats, poison, etc). While in America there are 10 people per 100K killed by guns alone. Not all homicides, I'll grant you. But do I have to look it up?
Fair warning, I live in (very) big house which I can afford thanks to my career helping people see things they did not want to believe. It's a sport to me. You will not believe my arguments here, nor change your mind. Why?
Mr. B January 9, 2013 at 12:38 am
Why would I not believe your arguments? Because they are lies. Here are FBI statistics from 2011, the most recent year they have statistics:
1694 murders with knives 726 with hands or feet (choking) 496 with clubs or hammers 323 with rifles of ANY type Yet you want to ban "assault" rifles. Hmmmm, makes me think you are pushing the liberal take over of America. Try telling the truth, maybe you will win more converts...or become one yourself.
R T January 9, 2013 at 02:39 pm
OK Shibone Perhaps you could explain that to the former Marine who took an antique shoygun into Mexico and spent three months in prison there, requiring diplomatic assistance to get him home late last month. A frightening parallel isn't it, that while constitutionally permitted, you can spend months in prison for exercising your constitutional right. Gee that sounds a lot like a Diane Feinstein idea!!
Shibone January 10, 2013 at 01:42 pm
Mr. B, since there were 16,799 US homicides in 2011, how did the other 13,560 die?
Mr. B January 10, 2013 at 02:33 pm
I don't care. But it wasn't by rifles which is what the liberal faction wants to restrict. I think we should obviously be banning knives. And possibly hands and feet.
Shibone January 10, 2013 at 05:48 pm
Why am I not surprised at your answer Mr. B? You could care less how the other homicides occurred. With NRA members, it's all about you. So tell me, what's the upper limit on the number of deaths by rifles you might find unacceptable?
Mr. B January 10, 2013 at 06:59 pm
You're not surprised because I don't click my heels and fall in line with your deceiving liberal views.

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